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APPENDIX 20 These two tape transcripts are the "evidence" used by the bogus gurus to fool their Godbrothers into thinking that they had been appointed gurus. This first version of the "appointment" tape is the one that appeared in both Ramesvara's book (Appendix 2), and Jadurani's 1980 expose of the "gurus" caned The Bona Fide Spiritual Master and the Disciple. Therefore, this version is the only one to date that has been widely circulated. Since this version can easily be misinterpreted to sound like an appointment of "gurus," we can safely say that this transcript was made by the conspirators. We can only assume that Jadurani never had a copy of the actual tape. Because she quoted the bogus transcript in her book, most devotees reading it thought it to be a bona fide transcript. THE BOGUS MAY TAPE Sat: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted. SP: Yes. I shall recommend some of you, after this is settled up. I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya. Tam: Is that called ritvik-acarya? SP: Ritvik. Yes. Sat: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and...? SP: He's guru. He's guru. Sat: But he does it on your behalf? SP: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru, so on my behalf. On my order, amara ajnaya guru haya, he is actually guru. But by my order. Sat: So they may also be considered your disciples? SP: Yes, they are or their disciples, but consider who... Tam: No. he is asking that these ritvik-acaryas, they are officiating, giving diksa, the people who they give diksa to, whose disciples are they? SP: They are his disciples. Tam: They are his disciples? SP: Who is initiating. His grand-disciple. Sat: Then we have a question concerning... SP: When I order you become guru, he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciples. Just see. THE ACCURATE MAY TAPE This version we have compiled is perfectly accurate in all detail-pauses, unclear words, etc. If the GBC has a version that is more clear, and can be heard better, then let them come forward with it now. Otherwise, when we say a segment of words is indistinguishable, that means that not only ourselves but numerous other devotees also could not make out what was being said. We have an excellent copy of the tape and are using the best equipment available. Sat: Then our next question concerns initiations in the future, particularly at that time when you are no longer with us. We want to know how first and second initiation would be conducted. SP: Yes. I shall recommend some of you, after this is settled up (local business that they had been discussing), I shall recommend some of you to act as officiating acarya. Note: Here Prabhupada establishes that the following conversation is going to be about officiating gurus before his departure, not about gurus "at that time when he is no longer with us." Tam: Is that called ritvik-acarya? SP: Ritvik. Yes. Sat: Then what is the relationship of that person who gives the initiation and- Note: This is a meaningless question, and so Prabhupada didn't even wait for him to finish it. He "who gives" is guru-Srila Prabhupada. Satsvarupa was no doubt thinking of he who "officiates" the initiation but his wording was off. The ritvik does not "give" the initiation; he officiates the initiation. Satsvarupa's question is not clear, and so the answer cannot be confirmed to support any conclusion. SP: -He's guru- He's guru. Note: The first "He's guru" broke into Satsvarupa's words, and so Prabhupada repeated it. That's the only reason. Srila Prabhupada is simply stating his own relationship to his disciple; the one "who gives" the initiation is guru. It is possible that he was referring to the ritvik as being guru, but in that case it would mean siksa-guru. In many places Prabhupada said that his senior disciples may be taken as siksa-guru of the neophytes if they repeated perfectly what they have heard. Guru simply means teacher in this sense. Sat: But-he does it on your behalf? Note: Here Satsvarupa introduces the delusion. In his mind he interpreted the answer as meaning the ritvik is the initiating guru. SP: Yes. That is formality. Because in my presence one should not become guru. So on my behalf. On my order, "amara ajnaya guru haya." (3 sec. pause) He's actually guru, but by my order. Note: This is the most important answer. In fact it is so significant that at the end of this Appendix we quote the entire section in Caitanya-caritamrta where this quote comes from. Srila Prabhupada is being questioned as to what will be the system of guru after his departure. To this line of questioning Prabhupada quotes a verse from the Caitanya-caritamrta. that elaborately explains how me is "actually a guru." Prabhupada is not going to recite the whole section for Satsvarupa right then and there. Satsvarupa knows how to read and so Prabhupada simply gave him the key words. Thus all Satsvarupa had to do was look it up. Prabhupada's intentions for guru after his departure are very clear. Anyone who can read can see who Prabhupada was appointing guru. Sat: So they may also be considered your disciples? Note: Here Satsvarupa further reveals the delusion he is in. He has now fully convinced himself that the new devotees are actually his own disciples. SP:...(words)...they're disciples, but consider. (2 sec. pause) Who. Note: Any interpretation of this partial statement is simply mental speculation. It is significant however that Prabhupada made this response in a tone of chastisement, as though he wanted Satsvarupa to give up his delusion. Tamala could see the confusion and so he interjected: Tam: No. He is asking that these ritvik-acaryas... (Prabhupada: Hmmm)...they are officiating, giving diksa,...(hmmm)...the people who they give diksa to...(hmmm)...whose disciple are they? Note: We have to give Tamala credit here for picking up that Satsvarupa is in delusion. Satsvarupa's questions were not at all in line with Prabhupada's answers and so Tamala wants to make it perfectly clear. Tamale's wording is very concise. It is also significant that three times during this question Prabhupada said, "Hmmm". Prabhupada was speaking very clearly at this time, and so there is no reason for any of this tape to be ambiguous-unless it was tampered with. SP: They are (d)-his-disciples. Note: just before the word "his" there is an unmistakable dip in sound. There can be no doubt that the word "his" was dubbed in; most likely in place of the word "my." Why would Prabhupada say "his" disciples to a clear question like Tamala's? Even if there were no dip, we would know that it was dubbed simply on the philosophical basis, but with the dip, there is no doubt. Who did the dubbing?? Tam: They are his disciples. Note: This response confirms the dub. From the original bogus transcript, everyone thought Tamala was repeating what Prabhupada said. But that was an easy trick they thought they could get away with. This was not spoken as a question to Prabhupada as the bogus transcript led one to believe. This was immediately and softly spoken on the side to Satsvarupa simply confirming that the new devotees were Prabhupada's disciples. Had Prabhupada actually said "his disciples," then Tamala would have said to Satsvarupa, "They are our disciples." One word dubs are relatively easy but even then they couldn't make it perfect. Tamala is talking to Satsvarupa, so, when he says, "his disciples," Prabhupada is "his". SP: Who is initiating. (3 sec. pause) His grand-disciple. Sat: Yes. (5 sec. pause) Then we have a question conc-. Note: Please keep in mind, Tamala had just told Satsvarupa that the new devotees were Prabhupada's disciples. That was very clear at this time. So even though these last words cannot be interpreted (cuts may have been made), Satsvarupa had heard all he wanted to and so is going on to the next question. Some tampering may have been done on all these sentences. Why would Satsvarupa have gone onto the next point? This last statement could not have made sense to him. Further questions would have been necessary. At least we could expect that Tamala would have been in there clarifying the statement further if there was even the slightest hint that he was going to be a guru. The whole conversation has very unnatural sound to it and so we know it was heavily tampered with. But as yet we have not found out who did it. But we win. SP: When I order you become guru, he becomes regular guru. That's all. Note: The GBC tried to interpret the following June tape as that "order" mentioned here as though Prabhupada had all of a sudden changed the whole philosophy and decided that pure devotees can be appointed after all. It is significant that Prabhupada uses the term "regular guru." As of yet we have not found an exact definition for that term from the books. It can be taken as a guru under regulations or as an ordinary guru which would mean siksa-guru. It can't possibly mean a diksa-guru since diksa-gurus are not appointed or ordered. It is significant that all these answers are to Tamale's question-the first clear question. But the answers in this chopped up tape do not confirm any conclusion and so more in needed. So even though Prabhupada said, "that's all", they needed to add the following sentence to clinch the appointment theory. SP: (7 sec. delay) He becomes...(inaudible word(s))...disciple of my disciple. (Click) just see. Note: This fine is an obvious dub. Not only does the background noise drop out, but the speed and tone of Prabhupada's voice dramatically changes also. The "just see" is again in a radically different tone and volume from the previous words. This tape was the only "evidence" the "gurus" ever had to support their claim to divinity. This can be proven, and when it is, the conspirators will be facing serious charges in court. Sat: Next we have a question about the GBC. (end tape) Note: There are some very significant points to bring out about this tape. One is that Prabhupada's health and speech were not bad at this time and it would have been no problem to ask more specific questions to seek proper clarification. There are so many good reasons why it is obvious that this tape was tampered with. One is, if it was not tampered with, why was it not available to everyone? It was extremely well guarded. This would have been just the opposite if it actually said what they claimed. But because they were unable to make a good dubbing job, they kept it super-confidential. It is available however from DAS if anyone doubts the validity of this transcript. When Sridhar Maharaja told Jayapataka that a ritvik guru does not make one an initiating guru later, Jayapataka told Sridhar Maharaja, referring to this tape: "Prabhupada has given explicit desires." Sridhar Maharaja believed him, and from the conversation that immediately ensued, the entire bogus guru manifesto was compiled. JUNE TAPE Tam: Srila Prabhupada, we are receiving a number of letters now. People are wanting to get initiated. So, up until now, since you were becoming ill, we asked them to wait. SP: The local senior sannyasis can. Tam: That's what we were doing formerly. The local GBC sannyasis were chanting on their beads and they were writing to Your Divine Grace. And you were giving a spiritual name. So should that process be resumed or should we...(There is an interlude where Tamala discusses the spiritual master taking the disciple's karma). That's why we've been asking everybody to wait. I just want to know if we should continue to wait some more time. SP: No. Senior sannyasis. Tam: So they should continue to... SP: You can bring me a list of sannyasis, I will mark. You can do, Kirtanananda can do...(word?) Satsvarupa can do. So (pause) these three can do. Tam: So supposing someone is in America. Should they simply write directly to Kirtanananda or Satsvarupa. SP: Nearby. Jayatirtha can do. Tam: Jayatirtha. SP: (word?)...Bhagavan can do. Tam: Bhagavan. SP: And he can do also (pause). Harikesh. Tam: Harikesh Maharaja. SP: Five, six men divide. Who is nearest. Tam: Who is nearest. So persons wouldn't have to write to Your Divine Grace. They could write directly to that person. SP: (hmmm) Tam: Actually, they are initiating the person on Your Divine Grace's behalf. SP: Hmmm. Tam: Those persons who are initiated are still your-. SP: Second initiation. We shall think. Second. Tam: This is for first initiation. Okay. And for second initiation, for the time being we should-. SP: Again have to wait. Second initiation, that should be... Tam: Some devotees are writing you now for second initiation. And I'm writing them to wait a while, because you are not well. So can I continue to tell them that? SP: They can do second initiation. Tam: By writing you? SP: No. These men. Tam: These men. They can also do second initiation. So there's no need for devotees to write to you for first and second initiation. They can write to the man nearest them. But all these persons are still your disciples. Anybody who would give initiation is doing so on your behalf. SP: Yes. Tam: You know that book I'm maintaining of all your disciples' names? Should I continue that? SP: Hmmm. Tam: So if someone gives initiation, like Harikesh Maharaja, he should send the person's name to us here, and I'll enter it in the book. (Long pause) Is there someone else in India that you want to do this. SP: India I am here we shall see. In India-Jayapataka. Tam: Jayapataka Maharaja. SP: You are also in India. (Long pause) You can note down these names. Tam: Yes, I have them. (The list is read, and Srila Prabhupada adds two more names-Hrdayananda and Ramesvara. SP: (Long pause) So without waiting for me, whoever you consider deserves. That will depend on discretion. Tam: On discretion. SP: Yes. Tam: That's for first and second initiations? SP: Hmmm. NOTE: One very obvious question: If it were clear from the May tape that the new initiates would be the disciples of the ritviks, then why was none of this mentioned in this June tape? Why was Tamala still trying to get Prabhupada to say something else? The answer is obvious. They hadn't yet conceived their plot and dubbed the May tape. There is no mention in this tape of the ritviks becoming anything special after Srila Prabhupada's departure. As such there is no question of construing an appointment of gurus from these two transcripts. But since the May tape was tampered with, not only is it not valid evidence, but it is conclusive evidence as to the demoniac nature of the "gurus"-just the opposite of the divine nature they claimed the tape represented. Another significant point is that Bhavananda and Hansadutta were not named in this June tape. Their names appeared on the letter issued to all centers that Prabhupada signed, but they were not named in this tape. No doubt some "good reasons" were given to Prabhupada later on to include them even though Bhavananda had only a year previously been caught by Pippilai dasa pants down, having sex with a Bengali boy in Mayapur. Just months previously, Prabhupada had said that Hansadutta was "praying daily that I die so that he can become guru." Prabhupada was aware of the character of all these ritviks. Ritvik has no special authority whatsoever. He simply gives initiation on the guru's behalf. Otherwise why would Prabhupada say, "whoever is nearest." The common argument, introduced by Sridhar Maharaja is that, "Well, it only makes sense that if Prabhupada made them ritviks, they must be the most advanced devotees." Sridhar may have even been the first to introduce that idea even though two years previously Sridhar had said that ritvik implied no special position. Aside from all that, Tamala Krsna has directly confessed (on tape) in the Pyramid House Talks, Dec. 3, 1980 that, "Actually, Prabhupada never appointed any gurus. He didn't appoint eleven gurus. He appointed eleven ritviks. He never appointed them gurus. Myself and the other GBC have done the greatest disservice to this movement the last three years because we interpreted the appointment of ritviks as the appointment of gurus." The "gurus" placed a great deal of importance on this tape to substantiate their claims, but the fact is that this tape, at least in its present condition, is the least authoritative explanation of guru. But Prabhupada, seeing past, present, and future, knew that this tape would be used to exploit the devotees. And so within this tape he planted one very important line that gives us the all-important clue as to what is the authoritative explanation on the subject of guru after his departure. He gave that clue by quoting "amara ajnaya guru hana." Nowhere does Srila Prabhupada say that a bona fide guru, a guru who actually sees Krsna face to face, can be appointed. The statement, "He's actually guru, but by my order," simply means that everyone is ordered to become guru by repeating what Prabhupada has taught us. It is not necessary to wait to see Krsna face to face to become guru and preach. Everyone should preach immediately by repeating what Prabhupada and Lord Caitanya have spoken. That is the meaning of "amara ajnaya guru hana" as explained below by Prabhupada. Everyone must preach from whatever level of realization he is on. But that kind of guru, and the actual liberated guru, are two different things. One is called diksa, and the other is called siksa. Anyone who repeats the message purely can become siksa-guru immediately. One's wife, one's mother, a prostitute, a beggar, a Godbrother, etc. Everyone is ordered to become guru in that sense. It is not possible to be ordered to become a pure devotee. The bona fide diksa-guru must be a pure devotee that is actually liberated. That is the conclusion of all of Srila Prabhupada's instructions on these two types of gurus. This May tape does not in any way contradict those instructions. Srila Prabhupada's quoting the verse from Caitanya-caritamrta, "amara ajnaya guru hana" (Cc. Mad. 7.128) is so significant we are herein quoting the entire section from the Caitanya-caritamrta. We strongly suggest that the devotees read it carefully. It fully substantiates the conclusions in given in Chapter Nine. "The brahmana (Kurma) begged Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu, "My dear Lord, kindly show me favor and let me go with You. I can no longer tolerate the waves of misery caused by materialistic life. (Cc. Mad. 7.126) "Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu replied, "Don't speak like that again. Better to remain at home and chant the holy name of Krsna always." (Cc. Mad. 7.127) Purport by Prabhupada: "It is not advisable in this age of Kali to leave one's family suddenly, for people are not trained as proper brahmacaris and grhasthas. Therefore Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu advised the brahmana not to be too eager to give up family life. It would be better to remain with his family and try to become purified by chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra regularly under the direction of a spiritual master. This is the instruction of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu. If this principle is followed by everyone, there is no need to accept sannyasa. In the next verse Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu advises everyone to become an ideal householder by offenselessly chanting the Hare Krsna mantra and teaching the same principle to everyone he meets." "Instruct everyone to follow the orders of Lord Sri Krsna as they are given in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagavatam. In this way become a spiritual master and try to liberate everyone in the land." (Cc. Mad. 7.128) Purport by Prabhupada: "This is the sublime mission of ISKCON. Many people come and inquire whether they have to give up family life to join the Society, but that is not our mission. One can remain comfortably in his residence. We simply request everyone to chant the maha-mantra.... If one is a little literate and can read Bhagavad-gita As It Is and Srimad-Bhagavatam, that is so much the better. These works are now available in an English translation and are done very authoritatively to appeal to all classes of men. Instead of living engrossed in material activities, people throughout the world should take advantage of this movement and chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra at home with their families. One should also refrain from sinful activities-illicit sex, meat-eating, gambling and intoxication. Out of these four items, illicit sex is very sinful. Every person must get married. Every woman especially must get married. If the women outnumber the men, some men can accept more than one wife. In that way there will be no prostitution in society. If men can marry more than one wife, illicit sex life will be stopped.... The Krsna consciousness movement is trying to elevate human society to the perfection of life by pursuing the method described by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu in His advice to the brahmana Kurma. That is, one should stay at home, chant the Hare Krsna mantra and preach the instructions of Krsna as they are given in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad Bhagavatam." "Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu further advised the brahmana Kurma, "If you follow this instruction, your materialistic life at home will not obstruct your spiritual advancement. Indeed, if you follow these regulative principles, we will again meet here, or, rather, you will never lose My company." (Cc. Mad. 7.129) Purport by Prabhupada: "This is an opportunity for everyone. If one simply follows the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, under the guidance of His representative, and chants the Hare Krsna mantra, teaching everyone as far as possible the same principle, the contamination of the materialistic way of life will not even touch him. It does not matter whether one lives in a holy place like Vrndavana, Navadwipa or Jagannatha Puri or in the midst of European cities where the materialistic way of life is very prominent. If a devotee follows the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, he lives in the company of the Lord. Wherever he lives, he converts that place into Vrndavana and Navadvipa. This means that materialism cannot touch him. This is the secret of success for one advancing in Krsna consciousness. "At whosoever's house Sri Caitanya accepted His alms by taking prasada, He would convert the dwellers to His sankirtana movement and advise them just as He advised the brahmana named Kurma. (Cc. Mad. 7.130) Purport by Prabhupada: "The cult of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu is explained here very nicely. One who surrenders to Him and is ready to follow Him with heart and soul does not need to change his location. Nor is it necessary for one to change status. One may remain a householder, a medical practitioner, an engineer, or whatever. It doesn't matter. One only has to follow the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, chant the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and instruct relatives and friends in the teachings of Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam. One has to learn humility and meekness at home following the instructions of Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu, and in that way one's life will be spiritually successful. One should not try to be an artificially advanced devotee thinking, 'I am a first-class devotee.' Such thinking should be avoided. It is best not to accept any disciples. One has to become purified at home by chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra and preaching the principles and be freed from the contamination of material life.... To protect his preachers, Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has given much clear advice in these verses of Caitanya-caritamrta. Need more than this be said on the status of ISKCON's self-appointed gurus? Comments, inquiries, and donations toward this book may be sent to Steve Bryant (Sulocana dasa), 2124 Kittredge #32, Berkeley, CA, 94704. Thank you.
A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Founder/Acharya of the International Sociey of Krishna Consiousness Final Orders Denied by "Senior Disciples" and Identifying "Ravana" and to stay with is "Suicide"
The awful truth is that Srila Prabhupada has had a desire to take part in "Simple Living/High Thinking" for many many years, it is a "continuous order" for us to follow. But during the final days of his manifest to material vision mission, he demanded, wished, pleaded and argued with his leading disciples, to assist him to again take part in "Simple Living/High Thinking". Giving his final order to go on Parikrama to Govardhana Hill, on Govardhana Puja Day travelling in a Bullock Cart. But the disciples did not fulfill that order. Below are some excerpts and after is a link to get the final days transcripts.
Prabhupada: And therefore I say, (laughs) DON'T KEEP ME LOCKED UP. You do your duty as I have trained you and LET ME BE FREE
Prabhupada: ALL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS SUBMISSION AND LET ME GO! [On Parikrama in Bullock cart to Govardhana Hill on Govardhana Puja day]
Prabhupada: I wish that you GBC manage very nicely and consider I am dead and LET ME TRAVEL TO ALL THE TIRTHASTHANA. Without any responsibility. If I become recovered from this malady I shall come back and then I shall die in, what is it when the dead body is there, let them bring to Mayapura and Vrndavana. I am thinking in this way. Bring little medicine and no medicine, little milk, and travel one place to another and if there is death, what is the lamentation? My age is ripe. IN THE OPEN AIR AND BULLOCK CART or during daytime, eh? Or you can say semi-suicide, although living what consider me dead for the time. You manage and nowadays there is in India ample sunshine.
SO DURING THE DAYTIME I SHALL TRAVEL AND NIGHTTIME YOU MAKE A CAMP UNDER A TREE. IN THIS WAY LET ME TRAVEL TO ALL THE TIRTHAS. I AM THINKING IN THIS WAY. What is your opinion?
Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, we promise that we'll manage everything to the best of our ability.
Prabhupada: No, no, you are managing, I know, but you are all important men and unnecessarily you are bound up. YOU CANNOT GO. So Lokanatha party has got some experience and LET ME GO. In India the climate is now good. If I recover, it is very good. You know. So what is the wrong? If I die, then the body will be brought either in Vrndavana or Mayapura, that's all. And if I live, it will be a great end of a life. You are all experienced.
Jayapataka: As much as you have trained us, Srila Prabhupada, that is only how much we are experienced. We don't want that you be burdened any more with material management problems but...
Prabhupada: No, not from that point of view. WHAT IS THE USE OF LYING DOWN HERE?
Jayapataka: The kaviraja said that even that your body is going to, is got a life of six to ten years but he said EVEN A HEALTHY COW, IF IT'S KEPT LOCKED UP INSIDE OF A ROOM, THEN IT WILL DETERIOATE. [Srila Prabhupada's Vrndavana quarters are sandwiched between the huge Krishna-Balarama temple on one side and the towering multi-story guest house on the other. The only side which is open is covered by the high boundary walls of the temple. There's no air circulation, no light, no sun... A horrible, dark, stuffy and claustrophobic room...]
Prabhupada: And therefore I say, (laughs) DON'T KEEP ME LOCKED UP. You do your duty as I have trained you and LET ME BE FREE and if money required, he'll come and take and go back again as he is coming to take book.
They have got experience Indian, you can go village to village and, arrangement as you may, but it is trouble taken, and I am no longer, you manage. If I live, I can come again. I shall be very glad.
Devotee: Previously it was mentioned that there was some risk in travelling.
Prabhupada: What is that risk? Nowadays THERE IS NO RISK. What is the risk? Mm?
Devotee: Well from the medical point of view it's something with the organs or something, I don't know exactly but it's been considered.
Prabhupada: THIS IS MY PROPOSAL and...
Jayapataka: That would be after you gained some strength, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: Yes. If I [WILL GAIN STRENGTH WITH] FREE AIR AND FREE MOVEMENT WITH SUNSHINE and I can come back again in a year.
Jayapataka: You will be translating while you're travelling?
Prabhupada: No, yes and no.
Bhavananda: I think it's good idea, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: HA!
Bhavananda: Only factor at this point is not to take any unnecessary risk.
Prabhupada: No. As I think free, so I remain. Mm. Then when I am sane man, I shall come back again either Mayapura or Vrndavana or Bombay, any other.
Jayapataka: You would travel by a minibus.
Prabhupada: Mm?
Jayapataka: You would travel by a bus.
Prabhupada: THAT YOU THINK OF.
Bhavananda: We will all sit down and discuss the different arrangements that have to be made, plans that have to be made. It's a very nice idea. Real sannyasa life.
Prabhupada: Yes. Mm. You have tried doctor, kaviraja, medicine, everything.
EVERYTHING HAS FAILED. Now SUPPOSE I AM TAKING THE RISK OF DEATH, WHAT IS WRONG? When the..., I am dead you go India, within India, you go and bring the body either in Mayapura or Vrndavana. Mayapura the land is already there. Vrndavana I think on the gate side, that's all. That's wherever you like you'll do.
Jayapataka: This kaviraja assures that by taking little milk frequently during the day...
Prabhupada: I will take milk. Milk is available everywhere. (laughter) I SHALL TAKE LITTLE MILK AND SLEEP, THAT'S ALL. IF I LIVE THAT'S ALL RIGHT. IF I DON'T LIVE, THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
Bhavananda: Very nice program. We can all accompany you at different times of the month.
Prabhupada: Yes. NOT VERY MANY, but you can come and go back.
Jayapataka: Which holy places you would like to visit, Srila Prabhupada?
Prabhupada: India is full of holy places.
Jayapataka: Krsna-lila, Mahaprabhu-lila.
Prabhupada: And gradually you go to Mayapura. Is someone here?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Srila Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: I...
Bhavananda: HE HAS HEARD EVERYTHING...
Prabhupada: Mm.
Jayapataka: By you going to the holy places, you will purify the holy places.
Prabhupada: There are two things, life or death. So if I die where is the wrong? And if there is death, that is natural.
Jayapataka: For you Srila Prabhupada, to be alive or to die is no different because you are in the transcendental position, but for us when you leave the body then we are bereft of your association. So for us it is very unfortunate.
Prabhupada: Then LIVE BY MY WORDS, BY MY TRAINING. Mm. (pause) SO YOU LIKE THIS IDEA? Mm?
Hamsaduta: I liked it.
Prabhupada: Oh. (pause) Most places you beg from the local place and subsist, otherwise purchase.
Jayapataka: You are very famous, Srila Prabhupada, wherever you go there will be crowds of people to have your darsana.
Prabhupada: So they will see me, I have no objection. I want little milk from them, that's all. (pause) So far my presence is required (for) management, I think I have bequeathed, properly you can manage. Hm. IT IS TO BE ADMITTED FAILURE, THE SO-CALLED MEDICAL TREATMENT, FAILURE. (pause)
Jayapataka: I'll be back to say that you defy all medical laws. Sometimes you become very weak and sometimes you become immediately strong. (pause)
Devotee: Giriraja.
Prabhupada: Oh.
Giriraja: Because, I mean, I don't have any faith in the doctors or their treatments because they're never working and ultimately it depends on Krsna and Krsna is everywhere. He can exercise His will in any condition and you know, as you say, that if you go out and if you recover then it's very good.
And even otherwise, I mean if that is the decision of Lord Krsna, then this is a very glorious way. (pause)
Prabhupada: ALL SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS SUBMISSION AND LET ME GO! (end) (771108rc.vrn)
Letter to: Satsvarupa, Uddhava Los Angeles 27 July, 1970
My Dear Satsvarupa and Uddhava, Please accept my blessings. I thank you for your express letters and have noted the contents carefully. You are all my children and I love my American boys and girls who are sent to me by my spiritual master and I have accepted them as my disciples. Before coming to your country I took sannyasa in 1959. I was publishing BTG since 1944. After taking sannyasa I was more engaged in writing my books without any attempt to construct temples or to make disciples like my other Godbrothers in India. I was not very much interested in these matters because my Guru Maharaja liked very much publication of books than constructing big, big temples and creating some neophyte disciples. As soon as he saw that His neophyte disciples were increasing in number, He immediately decided to leave this world. To accept disciples means to take up the responsibility of absorbing the sinful reaction of life of the disciple.
At the present moment in our ISKCON campus politics and diplomacy has entered. Some of my beloved students on whom I counted very, very much have been involved in this matter influenced by Maya. As such there has been some activity which I consider as disrespectful. So I have decided to retire and divert attention to book writing and nothing more. The ISKCON Press was specifically established exclusively for printing my books. Please therefore give me an idea how you can help me in getting all my manuscripts printed as soon a possible. Whenever Advaita is submitting an estimate for printing my books, I am supplying the money immediately. So far the finance is concerned, Krsna is supplying. Therefore if you simply print my books in the Press incessantly, that will give me great delight. Please therefore let me know how far you can all help me in this connection and what are the manuscripts ready for printing. I think I shall now stop all other activities except publishing of my books. Kindly enlighten me per return mail. Hope you are all well and offer my blessings to all boys and girls in your temple.
Your ever well-wisher, A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
P.S. I think the wrongly printed pictures may be cancelled and fresh printing should be done. If not, it will create a very bad impression of our Press management. ACBS:dm
Those who are engaged in the worship of demigods enter into the darkest region of ignorance, and still more so do the worshipers of the impersonal Absolute.
PURPORT
The Sanskrit word asambhuti refers to those who have no independent existence. Sambhuti is the Absolute Personality of Godhead, who is absolutely independent of everything. In the Bhagavad-gita (10.2), the Absolute Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna, states:
na me viduh sura-gana prabhavam na maharsayah aham adir hi devanam maharsinam ca sarvasah
"Neither the hosts of demigods nor the great sages know My origin or opulences, for in every respect I am the source of the demigods and sages." Thus Krsna is the origin of the powers delegated to demigods, great sages and mystics. Although they are endowed with great powers, these powers are limited, and thus it is very difficult for them to know how Krsna Himself appears by His own internal potency in the form of a man. Many philosophers and great rsis, or mystics, try to distinguish the Absolute from the relative by their tiny brain power. This can only help them reach the negative conception of the Absolute without realizing any positive trace of the Absolute. Definition of the Absolute by negation is not complete. Such negative definitions lead one to create a concept of one's own; thus one imagines that the Absolute must be formless and without qualities. Such negative qualities are simply the reversals of relative, material qualities and are therefore also relative. By conceiving of the Absolute in this way, one can at the utmost reach the impersonal effulgence of God, known as Brahman, but one cannot make further progress to Bhagavan, the Personality of Godhead. Such mental speculators do not know that the Absolute Personality of Godhead is Krsna, that the impersonal Brahman is the glaring effulgence of His transcendental body, or that the Paramatma, the Supersoul, is His all-pervading plenary representation. Nor do they know that Krsna has His eternal form with its transcendental qualities of eternal bliss and knowledge. The dependent demigods and great sages imperfectly consider Him to be a powerful demigod, and they consider the Brahman effulgence to be the Absolute Truth. But the devotees of Krsna, by dint of their surrendering unto Him and their unalloyed devotion, can know that He is the Absolute Person and that everything emanates from Him. Such devotees continuously render loving service unto Krsna, the fountainhead of everything. In the Bhagavad-gita (7.20, 23) it is said that only unintelligent, bewildered persons driven by a strong desire for sense gratification worship the demigods for the temporary relief of temporary problems. Since the living being is materially entangled, he has to be relieved from material bondage entirely to attain permanent relief on the spiritual plane, where eternal bliss, life and knowledge exist. Sri Isopanisad therefore instructs that we should not seek temporary relief of our difficulties by worshiping the dependent demigods, who can bestow only temporary benefit. Rather, we must worship the Absolute Personality of Godhead, Krsna, who is all-attractive and who can bestow upon us complete freedom from material bondage by taking us back home, back to Godhead. It is stated in the Bhagavad-gita (7.23) that the worshipers of the demigods can go to the planets of the demigods. The moon worshipers can go to the moon, the sun worshipers to the sun, etc. Modern scientists are now venturing to the moon with the help of rockets, but this is not really a new attempt. With their advanced consciousness, human beings are naturally inclined to travel in outer space and to reach other planets, either by spaceships, mystic powers or demigod worship. In the Vedic scriptures it is said that one can reach other planets by any one of these three ways, but the most common way is by worshiping the demigod presiding over a particular planet. In this way one can reach the moon planet, the sun planet and even Brahmaloka, the topmost planet in this universe. However, all planets in the material universe are temporary residences; the only permanent planets are the Vaikunthalokas. These are found in the spiritual sky, where the Personality of Godhead Himself predominates. As Lord Krsna states in the Bhagavad-gita (8.16):
abrahma-bhuvanal lokah punar avartino 'rjuna mam upetya tu kaunteya punar janma na vidyate
"From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains My abode, O son of Kunti, never takes birth again." Sri Isopanisad points out that one who worships the demigods and attains to their material planets still remains in the darkest region of the universe. The whole universe is covered by the gigantic material elements; it is just like a coconut covered by a shell and half-filled with water. Since its covering is airtight, the darkness within is dense, and therefore the sun and the moon are required for illumination. Outside the universe is the vast and unlimited brahmajyoti expansion, which is filled with Vaikunthalokas. The biggest and highest planet in the brahmajyoti is Krsnaloka, or Goloka Vrndavana, where the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna Himself, resides. Lord Sri Krsna never leaves Krsnaloka. Although He dwells there with His eternal associates, He is omnipresent throughout the complete material and spiritual cosmic manifestations. This fact has already been explained in Mantra Four. The Lord is present everywhere, just like the sun, yet He is situated in one place, just as the sun is situated in its own undeviating orbit. The problems of life cannot be solved simply by going to the moon planet or to some other planet above or below it. Therefore Sri Isopanisad advises us not to bother with any destination within this dark material universe, but to try to get out of it and reach the effulgent kingdom of God. There are many pseudo worshipers who become religionists only for the sake of name and fame. Such pseudo religionists do not wish to get out of this universe and reach the spiritual sky. They only want to maintain the status quo in the material world under the garb of worshiping the Lord. The atheists and impersonalists lead such foolish pseudo religionists into the darkest regions by preaching the cult of atheism. The atheist directly denies the existence of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and the impersonalists support the atheists by stressing the impersonal aspect of the Supreme Lord. Thus far we have not come across any mantra in Sri Isopanisad in which the Supreme Personality of Godhead is denied. It is said that He can run faster than anyone. Those who are running after other planets are certainly persons, and if the Lord can run faster than all of them, how can He be impersonal? The impersonal conception of the Supreme Lord is another form of ignorance, arising from an imperfect conception of the Absolute Truth. The ignorant pseudo religionists and the manufacturers of so-called incarnations who directly violate the Vedic injunctions are liable to enter into the darkest region of the universe because they mislead those who follow them. These impersonalists generally pose themselves as incarnations of God to foolish persons who have no knowledge of Vedic wisdom. If such foolish men have any knowledge at all, it is more dangerous in their hands than ignorance itself. Such impersonalists do not even worship the demigods according to the scriptural recommendations. In the scriptures there are recommendations for worshiping demigods under certain circumstances, but at the same time these scriptures state that there is normally no need for this. In the Bhagavad-gita (7.23) it is clearly stated that the results derived from worshiping the demigods are not permanent. Since the entire material universe is impermanent, whatever is achieved within the darkness of material existence is also impermanent. The question is how to obtain real and permanent life. The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service--which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead--one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles. By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryopasana--"One must worship the acarya"--and Krsna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas. These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification.
This information proves what Srila Prabhupada said: 'a guru can become guru when he's ordered by his guru,otherwise NOBODY can become guru'.
Srila Prabhupada never said that the gurus become gurus when they are ordered by the GBC and that's the CHEATING that's going on in Iskcon.Everybody has been ordered by the GBC which is the proof that they cannot initiate or liberate even a mosquito or an ant from the ignorance of material life.You have to be qualified even for that because even though they may be very tiny creatures still they are spirit souls like you and me and their spiritual evolution and emancipation from material existence depends on the blessings of a bona fide spiritual master completely free from false ego.The GBC guru appointments are a direct manifestation of AHAMKARA(false ego) and one who is a slave of false ego cannot be a bona fide spiritual master.A bona fide guru must be necessarily above the jurisdiction of the GBC,he cannot be the dog of the GBC,he's the master not somebody that has to be chastised and go to wash pots for purification.That's completely ridiculous.It's all the way around.The bona fide guru orders the GBC: 'you do this,you do that' not the SAHAJIYA philosophy that the GBC orders the so-called guru: 'you do this,you do that,please,don't make business with the temples,don't use your credit cards too much,don't make it too evident that you are a false guru and that we are a false GBC,try to be moderate when cheating people then everybody will be satisfied and nobody will suspect that you are a false guru'.This is a farce and has to be ended as soon as possible.This is the greatest contaminated philosophy introduced by the GBC.
Dear devotees,please don't call these devotees 'gurus'.THEY ARE NOT BONA FIDE GURUS.
A bona fide guru will have to be ordered by Srila Prabhupada to actually become guru,he would never allow all the changes that have been made to Srila Prabhupada's books,he will be ABOVE the jurisdiction and supervision of the GBC,he will be against all the criminal cover-up that's going on in Iskcon about devotees been murdered,the misbehavior of the false gurus,devotees been tortured as I was in Spain by the followers of the false gurus and the Ravana GBC,etc.
My understanding is that it's impossible that Srila Prabhupada had ordered anyone to become guru when Srila Prabhupada had seen that all these false gurus are keeping silent and endorsing all the atrocities done to his instructions,books,devotees,cows,etc.
Ravana means 'one who makes other cry'.These have been the activities of the GBC since the departure of Srila Prabhupada,children crying,men and women crying because of the abuses of this Ravana GBC.
And one of the activities of Ravana is to kidnap and plunder the Goddess of Fortune and that's what the GBC has been doing all these years;illegally plundering Iskcon temples by illegally alowing temples to be mortgaged,sold,and introducing unauthorized businesses in the name of sankirtana,etc.
Puerto Rico,Costa Rica,Peru and so many other countries where the false gurus and false GBC are making a very profitable GURU BUSINESS keeping Srila Prabhupada in front.
And Sesa who was the co-GBC with Virabahu for Puerto Rico was the one who sanctioned Vakresvara Pandita to unnecessarily mortgage the temple.
It's clear for me that Vakresvara Pandita was used by the Ravana GBC to get this money one way or the other.They are shameless.
Derek,are you a disciple of Brian Tracy? You have been influenced by the sahajiya mentality of present Iskcon.Exposing untruth and false gurus has nothing to do with one's personal psychological emotions.Whether one is happy or unhappy,positive or negative,untruth is untruth and if one remains silent while Srila Prabhupada is attacked one becomes an accomplice of this severe offense.Vakresvara Pandita STOLE from you $15000 and,of course,I'm sure that NOBODY in Iskcon has encouraged you to be POSITIVE and expose Vakresvara.That means they have become totally influenced by the sahajiya mentality of the false acaryas.In other words,no matter how GREAT is the injustice or the crime they will remain silent and encourage you to remain silent just to cover up and protect their friend(s).That's REALLY NEGATIVE,boy!
That's sinful.That's what Srila Prabhupada says.If one doesn't speak the truth when truth has to be spoken one become implicated in sinful activities.So you have the free will to become a disciple of Brian Tracy,Dick Tracy,a false acarya of Iskcon or a disciple of Srila Prabhupada.That's your choice.
771103rc.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: That is my only request, that at the last stage don't torture me and put to death. So I am not eating anything, and if we chant, by batches chant, I'll ...771110rc.vrn
BHAKTISIDDHANTA SARASWATI IN THE FOREFRONT OF THE SANKIRTANA PROCESSION FROM THE GAUDIYA MATH , ULTADANGA , CALCUTTA , IN OCTOBER 1930.
CONCLUDING WORDS TO SRI CAITANYA CARITAMRITA BY SRILA PRABHUPADA
Concluding Words Today, Sunday, November 10, 1974-corresponding to the 10th of Kärtikka, Caitanya Era 488, the eleventh day of the dark fortnight, the Räma-ekadasi-we have now finished the English translation of Sri Krsnadasa-Kaviräja Gosvami Sri Caitanya-caritämrita in accordance with the authorised order of His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Thäkura Gosvämi Mahäräja, my beloved eternal spiritual master, guide and friend. Although according to material vision His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Thäkura Prabhupäda passed away from this material world on the last day of December, 1936, I still consider His Divine Grace to be always present with me by his vani, his words. There are two ways of association-by vani and by vapu. Vani means words, and vapu means physical presence. Physical presence is sometimes appreciable and sometimes not, but vani continues to exist eternally. Therefore we must take advantage of the vani, not the physical presence. Bhagavad-gitä, for example, is the vani of Lord Krsna. Although Krsna was personally present five thousand years ago and is no longer physically present from the materialistic point of view, Bhagavad-gitä continues. In this connection we may call to memory the time when I was fortunate enough to meet His Divine Grace Srila Prabhupäda, sometime in the year 1922. Srila Prabhupäda had come from Calcutta to Sridhama Mäyäpur to start the missionary activities of the Gaudiya Math. He was sitting in a house at Ulta Danga when through the inducement of an intimate friend, the late Sriman Narendranätha Mallika, I had the opportunity to meet His Divine Grace for the first time. I do not remember the actual date of the meeting, but at that time I was one of the managers of Dr. Bose's laboratory in Calcutta. I was a newly married young man, addicted to Gandhi's movement and dressed in khadi. Fortunately, even at our first meeting, His Divine Grace advised me to preach the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu in English in the Western countries. Because at that time I was a complete nationalist, a follower of Mahätma Gandhi's, I submitted to His Divine Grace that unless our country were freed from foreign subjugation, no one would hear the message of Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu seriously. Of course, we had some argument on this subject, but at last I was defeated and convinced that Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu's message is the only panacea for suffering humanity. I was also convinced that the message of Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu was then in the hands of a very expert devotee and that surely the message of Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu would spread all over the world. I could not, however, immediately take up his instructions to preach, but I took his words very seriously and was always thinking of how to execute his order, although I was quite unfit to do so. In this way I passed my life as a householder until 1950, when I retired from family life as a vänaprastha. With no companion, I loitered here and there until 1959, when I took sannyäsa. Then I was completely ready to discharge the order of my spiritual master. Previously, in 1936, just before His Divine Grace passed away at Jagannätha Puri, I wrote him a letter asking what I could do to serve him. In reply, he wrote me a letter, dated 13 December 1936, ordering me, in the same way, to preach in English the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu as I had heard it from him. After he passed away, I started the fortnightly magazine Back to Godhead sometime in 1944 and tried to spread the cult of Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu through this magazine. After I took sannyäsa, a well-wishing friend suggested that I write books instead of magazines. Magazines, he said, might be thrown away, but books remain perpetually. Then I attempted to write Srimad-Bhägavatam. Before that, when I was a householder, I had written on Srimad Bhagavad-gitä and had completed about eleven hundred pages, but somehow or other the manuscript was stolen. In any case, when I had published Srimad-Bhägavatam, First Canto, in three volumes in India, I thought of going to the U.S.A. By the mercy of His Divine Grace, I was able to come to New York on September 17, 1965. Since then, I have translated many books, including Srimad-Bhägavatam, Bhakti-rasämrita-sindhu, Teachings of Lord Caitanya (a summary) and many others. In the meantime, I was induced to translate Sri Caitanya Caritämrita and publish it in an elaborate version. In his leisure time in later life, His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Thakura would simply read Caitanya-caritämrita. It was his favorite book. He used to say that there would be a time when the foreigners would learn the Bengali langage to read Caitanya-caritämrita. The work on this translation began about eighteen months ago. Now, by the grace of Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu and his Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Thakura, it is finished. In this connection I have to thank my American disciples, especially Sriman Pradyumna däsa Adhikäri, Sriman Nitäi däsa Adhikäri, Sriman Jayädvaita däsa Brahmacäri and many other boys and girls who are sincerely helping me in writing, editing and publishing all these literatures. I think that His Divine Grace Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Thäkura is always seeing my activities and guiding me within my heart by his words. As it is said in Srimad Bhägavatam, tene brahma hådä ya ädi-kavaye. Spiritual inspiration comes from within the heart, wherein the Supreme Personality of Godhead, in His Paramätmä feature, is always sitting with all His devotees and associates. It is to be admitted that whatever translation work I have done is through the inspiration of my spiritual master because personally I am most insignificant and incompetent to do this materially impossible work. I do not think myself a very learned scholar, but I have full faith in the service of my spiritual master, His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Thakura. If there is any credit to my activities of translating, it is all due to His Divine Grace. Certainly if His Divine Grace were personally present at this time, it would have been a great occasion for jubiliation, but even though he is not physically present, I am confident that he is very pleased by this work of translation. He was very fond of seeing many books published to spread the Krsna consciousness movement. Therefore our society, the International Society for Krsna Consciousness, has formed to execute the order of Sri Caitanya Mahäprabhu and His Divine Grace Srila Bhaktisiddhänta Sarasvati Thakura. It is my wish that devotees of Lord Caitanya all over the world enjoy this translation, and I am glad to express my gratitude to the learned men in the Western countries who are so pleased with my work that they are ordering in advance all my books that will be published in the future. On this occasion therefore, I request my disciples who are determined to help me in this work to continue their cooperation fully, so that philosophers, scholars, religionists and people in general all over the world will benefit by reading our transcendental literatures such as Srimad-Bhägavatam and Sri Caitanya-caritämrita. Thus end the Bhaktivedanta purports to Sri Caitanya-caritämrita, dated November 10, 1974, at the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, Hare Krsna Land, Juhu, Bombay.
November Prabhupada Vigil -- November 1, 1977, Vrndavana
Brahmananda: If you're not feeling well today, it can be postponed to another day. Prabhupada: I am not feeling... (pause) I did not eat even today. Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada says he did not eat today, Bhakti-caru. Bhakti-caru: You were sleeping, Srila Prabhupada, in the afternoon. That's why I didn't wake you up. Prabhupada: No. There was no food at all. Tamala Krsna: Didn't Prabhupada get milk and barley this morning? Bhakti-caru: Yeah. Bhavananda: Also you said he took twelve spoons of khicuri and loki? Bhakti-caru: Yes. You took some lunch today, Srila Prabhupada. Tamala Krsna: You took morning and lunch. Prabhupada: That is very little. Tamala Krsna: Yes. But compared to other days, you took as much or more. Well, then we can postpone and we can put ourselves under the care of this other kaviraja who came the other day. Prabhupada: Who came? Tamala Krsna: Remember the kaviraja from the Rangaji temple? The assistant that this man was going to bring. So now we can be put under his care and take our chances. 'Cause that's what staying here means. Bhavananda: The kaviraja, he explained that if you remained here, that would be good. But he didn't think there was any risk of death for you to go to Mayapura. Prabhupada: No, actually, when I was making parikrama, this corner, I was feeling fainted. Tamala Krsna: This corner? Brahmananda: At the turn. Prabhupada felt like fainting. Bhavananda: I saw when he closed his eyes. Tamala Krsna: Well, most of this traveling that we're going to do, you will be laying down. Prabhupada: That laying down and this laying down, that is different? Tamala Krsna: Well, then we have to think of what the alternative is. Staying here means being subject to the possible care of this assistant who you saw the other day, 'cause this kaviraja will not wait any longer. He can't stay here any longer. We can try and convince him to stay, but I don't know how successful we will be. And he may give his medicines, but if some unforeseen difficulty develops, then it means that we are under the care of this other person. Bhavananda: This palanquin parikrama is very rough. You're bouncing up and down. You're going swinging sideways. Tamala Krsna: (aside:) It's not as rough as traveling to Mayapura, though, not one tenth as rough or one fiftieth. You know, all you got to do is go on a rough road. It's nothing. This palanquin is smooth compared to that, going slowly and being carried. I think the main point, Srila Prabhupada, is that we have to consider going as opposed to staying here with the possibility of being at the..., under the care of this other kaviraja. That to me is the choice. This kaviraja will give medicines... First of all, we can try to convince him to stay, but failing that, he's giving a series of medicines which he expects will be proper according to the condition. But naturally the condition can change on any date. Then what will we do? Prabhupada: I say no medicine. Tamala Krsna: No medicine. We should reject this kaviraja. Prabhupada: Hm? Brahmananda: Yadubara was asking how much time the kaviraja would stay with you in Mayapura. Tamala Krsna: Every few days he'll be there, every two days, every three days. Yadubara: He said like that? Tamala Krsna: Yes, he's prepared to do that. Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada? Is there some... You're feeling some bad effect from these medicines that you want to reject them? (pause) Prabhupada: At least there is risk of life. Tamala Krsna: By traveling. Prabhupada: I see that. Bhavananda: We've also seen, Srila Prabhupada, that while you've been here in Vrndavana without this kaviraja, your condition has steadily deteriorated. Now he's come, and there's some slight improvement. We can speak to him about staying, but it's highly unlikely that he'll be able to stay away from his practice for any time longer. Then, if your condition turns again, then what do we do? There's also risk. Prabhupada: No, no. Risk is there, and risk is here. So better take the risk here. Bhavananda: And chance of survival is here and chance of survival is there. But where is the... Prabhupada: No. Provided you reach there. There is survival or whatever it may be, but whether there is arrival? The best thing is no medicine and kindly give me some circumambulation and leave me to the fate. Bhakti-caru: But, Srila Prabhupada, don't you think that the medicine is working, is having some good effect? Prabhupada: If it is working, then why I'm not feeling any strength? Bhakti-caru: That will come slowly, Srila Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Ah. That means I have to take the medicine and not that risking. The best thing is, whatever service you can give, you arrange. Leave me without medicine. Bhavananda: Why is that the best thing, Srila Prabhupada? Why is that the best thing? Prabhupada: Because all, everything has failed. Bhavananda: This kaviraja has not promised miraculous recovery. He has said it takes time. Bhakti-caru: Yes. At least fifteen days, he said. Bhavananda: We're all feeling encouraged for the first time. Bhakti-caru: Actually the kaviraja has left it up to you, Srila Prabhupada. He said that the way you have cured your cough and cold in just a day, in just a few hours' time, the same way you can cure all your disease if you want, just yourself, without any medicine. At the same time, you dreamt this Ramanuja kaviraja giving you the medicine, and ever since you started taking the medicines there has been some good effect, like you started passing more urine, you started getting a little appetite, little taste, your swelling has gone down, to some extent. Prabhupada: Swelling has not... (long silence) Tamala Krsna: Srila Prabhupada? About two days ago you said that either the kaviraja should stay here or we should go with him. So why should we change that idea? Prabhupada: Because in this morning I was fainting. So there was no strength. How long I circumbulate? Tamala Krsna: About a half hour. Prabhupada: Even half hour, if I am fainting... So if I die without medicine, without kaviraja, what is the harm? Hm? Tamala Krsna: According to the kaviraja, his treatment is that first of all he has to take care of your liver and kidneys before giving you strength. He said there's no question of you getting any strength until your liver and kidneys are healed. Prabhupada: So take the medicine. Tamala Krsna: Yes. So the first part of his cure is to help your liver and kidneys. Then, when they are functioning properly, you'll be able to eat and other things which will automatically give strength. Medicine will not give strength, but medicine can cure the organs which are now not working properly. Prabhupada: No, you take medicine from him. Tamala Krsna: Right. That was his proposal. His proposal was that you take medicine, and then after ten or fifteen days, you may have enough strength... And he was going to come back and then take you to Mayapura. Prabhupada: So do that. Tamala Krsna: Yes. The only reason that we were hesitant was because if something along the way happens, had he been here, he could have adjusted the medicine to suit the particular needs. Now, not being here, we'll have to depend upon this assistant in case something changes. If nothing changes, then there's no harm. But if something should suddenly alter... Prabhupada: So that time... Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada? Prabhupada: Alter means death. Tamala Krsna: No, it doesn't mean death. Alter means supposing you suddenly develop some... You can't say what it will be. It doesn't necessarily mean death. Bhakti-caru: Some secondary ailments. Tamala Krsna: Yes. Anything may come up. Just like sometimes you get a cough. Cough doesn't mean death. Sometimes you pass a little more stool. That doesn't mean death. So anyway, the idea is that having a kaviraja personally present naturally is the best thing. So if it's not possible, and that does develop, then we'll have to call upon the man he's..., this assistant. Prabhupada: So why call Mayapura? Let him supply the medicine from Calcutta. Tamala Krsna: Supply the medicine from Calcutta. Well, he said he can give enough medicine now to last I think for about another ten days. Even now. Prabhupada: So that is all right. Bhakti-caru: Yes. The main medicine, we have the supply for ten days already, that, the one that he distilled yesterday. Tamala Krsna: Of course, we can still try and convince him not to go. That would be the best thing. Prabhupada: No, he's staying, but actually you are administering his medicine. It doesn't require... Bhakti-caru: His presence. Tamala Krsna: Providing everything goes according to his plan. Yes, his presence is simply an encouragement, not necessarily a necessity so far. Prabhupada: If he cannot stay, let his medicine remain and let him go. But if you think that I am burden now... Tamala Krsna: No, that's not what we think. We will never think that. There will never come that time. Brahmananda: We are the burden, Srila Prabhupada. Tamala Krsna: We are the cause of your disease, Srila Prabhupada. Brahmananda: You have to drag us back to Godhead. That is a very big burden. Prabhupada: So as you think... But this morning I was fainting. Bhakti-caru: That is because this parikrama is very strenuous, Srila Prabhupada, this jerking and swinging. Prabhupada: So how...? How? How we can? Brahmananda: So three hours to Delhi, then the plane ride and then three hours to Mayapura? Bhakti-caru: No, I mean that is out of the question. Tamala Krsna: It's not out of the question. We were considering doing it. (laughter) It's only three hours away. (laughter) Brahmananda: The cars are coming. Tamala Krsna: The cars are coming. The tickets are booked. It's not out of the question. Satadhanya's in Calcutta. (laughter) Bhakti-caru: But then again there is one advantage, that all along he can lie down. His Divine Grace can lie down. Upendra: The only time he feels faint is when he's sitting up. Tamala Krsna: So Upendra says that the time that you get faint is when you're sitting up. If you lay down you don't get faint. If the issue is that you got faint, then that's only because... I've seen you sitting in this bed and getting fainting sometimes, sitting up, fainting. Laying down... You can't faint when you lay down. Fainting is when you're sitting up. But practically the whole time you'll be sitting up, I mean laying down. And neither fainting is not necessarily... That is not a sign of death, fainting. Prabhupada: Fainting means of death. Tamala Krsna: What, Srila Prabhupada? I know myself, I have a history where I have fainted more than twenty-five times in my life, and I did not die. I fainted in so many different places. In the subways in New York... Prabhupada: You are young man, and I am already dead. Tamala Krsna: Why don't we see what the kaviraja thinks, Srila Prabhupada. Should we call him? Prabhupada: Hm. (whispering) Why "phish-phish"? Why not talk? Tamala Krsna: "Why whispering?" Upendra was saying that not going is all right, but the fact that you are rejecting medicine, that is not good. So I was saying that I don't really think that you're rejecting the medicine, but you're taking that position so that we settle in between. (laughing) I can understand that you appreciate that the medicine is doing some good, but in order to get us to agree... Brahmananda: It is you who were saying that by Prabhupada's not going, then we're at a loss for medicine. So then Prabhupada said, "All right, then no medicine." Tamala Krsna: No. Also Prabhupada's saying no medicine so that if we say, "All right, stay, but take the medicine," then Prabhupada will... Bhakti-caru: He'll agree to that, yes. Tamala Krsna: Transcendental bargaining. (laughs) Srila Prabhupada, I have seen you dealing with the most tricky people in the world. I saw you dealing with that Mr. Nair, and then with that other man, Mr. Ratnaparki? So I can understand that when you say, (laughs) "No medicine at all," that we will then simply say, "Well, please, Srila Prabhupada, just take medicine and then you stay here," and you'll say, "All right." (laughs) Prabhupada: I want simply once parikrama. Tamala Krsna: One maha-parikrama? Prabhupada: No. Tamala Krsna: Oh, one time around. Not many times. Prabhupada: No, no. As I am doing, that much. Medicine, no medicine... Tamala Krsna: Well, actually we're also wanting you to do parikrama, but we would..., one day we are hoping to see you walking the parikrama. Prabhupada: That's all right. For the time being, if by parikrama, fainting, dying, that is a glorious.That I want. Will it be great burden? Tamala Krsna: No, no. That's not the question, of burden. The only thing is that we want you to get better. There's no question of burden. Prabhupada: No, no, better... Jayadvaita: Burden of love. Prabhupada: Better... If suppose I am sure to die, then where is better? Tamala Krsna: No, but we don't suppose that. We're not supposing that you're sure to die. Bhavananda: We don't feel that at all. Brahmananda: I don't think there's any question that you're going to die, Prabhupada. Prabhupada: In the morning this symptom... Tamala Krsna: Prabhupada, you fainted... Although you don't remember sometimes, you have fainted at least a half a dozen times in the last month or two. I know you don't recall it, because we did not say anything. But we have seen you faint at least a half a dozen times, actually faint, falling backwards a little bit in bed when you were sitting up. In extreme weakness, fainting is natural. It is not necessarily a symptom of death. It's due to excessive weakness. The blood does not circulate properly in the head, and one faints. I mean people faint all over the world all the time. Jayadvaita: On Janmastami when they're fainting... When all the devotees fast, everyone faints. All day long they're fainting. Prabhupada: Eh? Jayadvaita: On Janmastami, when there's mandatory fasting for all the devotees, half of the devotees are fainting throughout the day. Brahmananda: They faint? Jayadvaita: Yes. Bhavananda: Subhaga always faints. Tamala Krsna: Sometimes devotees faint just from fasting one day. You have fasted for six months, Srila Prabhupada. If you faint a little bit, it's not a sign of death. Prabhupada: No, no. I am welcoming death. Tamala Krsna: I know. That's the... That's why we're talk... Bhavananda: But we are not. We are not welcoming the idea of your death, Srila Prabhupada. You say, "What is the harm?" There is no harm for you. Your return to Krsna has been assured from your very birth. Prabhupada: So why not allow me to do that? Bhavananda: We are thinking of the harm for us and the rest of the world. Prabhupada: That depends on Krsna. But for me, if you give me this facility--one parikrama, and then leave me to my fate--you'll give me... Because I am not eating, so keep me whole day as I am. But if you think that I have become burden, then... (whispering) Hm? Bhavananda: I was just saying, Srila Prabhupada, something must have happened that you're feeling somehow that we think that you have become a burden. But we don't feel that way at all, Srila Prabhupada. Jayadvaita: You've given the example in Srimad-Bhagavatam that when a capitalist has money, that's also a burden. And when the woman has a child, that child is a burden. So in the same way... But that burden is a burden of love. So you're that kind of burden, the kind of burden that's wanted. Prabhupada: Where is kaviraja? Tamala Krsna: Bhakti-caru went to get him. Prabhupada: (Hindi) Kaviraja: (Hindi) Tamala Krsna: Swelling is reducing. Prabhupada: (Hindi) Kaviraja: (Hindi) (end)
Note: Srila Prabhupada was aware of the plot to kill him in 1976. So the question is WHO is "they"?
760503rc.hon Conversations Prabhupada: This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Krsna movement. In India also, although India's... They will want to crush downthis movement. So this will be up to Him. Krsna or Krsna's movement, the same thing. And Krsna was attempted to be killed by Kamsa class of men and his company, the demons. So it will be there; it is already there. Don't be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Krsna's favor is there, because Krsna and Krsna's movement is not different, nondiff..., identical. So as Krsna was attempted to be killed, many, many years before He appeared... At eighth child, if the mother produces child yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be attempted to be killed. So there may be attempt like that. And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO.
Note: Trouble from Subordinates Juniors(disciples "they")
770811rc.vrn Conversations Abhirama: So I went to see the astrologer with Yasodanandana Swami, and he did more calculations on your chart. Prabhupada: You can get on light. Abhirama: So basically he explained when the difficult times will come, according to the planets. Then he made it very clear that beyond the planetary influence, it would be very difficult for calculations for a person in your position. For an ordinary man he can say very clearly. And he can say for you which planets will disturb, but he cannot say for sure how much they will affect, because being a saintly person, there is naturally some resistance to these influences. So he made that very clear, that you should not think that these are final. So he said, according to your birth, the longevity shows very clearly. And then he gave a date. The longevity is eighty-one years, five months and twenty-nine days, which means February 28, 1978, six months from now. This is according to birth and stars arrangement. But on this point he made it very clear that this was from your birth, this was set, but it can change. Due to pious activities, due to the hand of Krsna, this can change. So... And then he described that during the next six months, the first week of September, Saturn will pass over Ketu, and it will agitate the influence of Ketu even more. So the first week of September the resistance will go down, will become weaker. THEN HE MENTIONED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME TROUBLE FROM..., MAYBE FINANCIAL OR MAYBE FROM JUNIORS, FROM SUBORDINATES.
Note: Srila Prabhupada KNEW he was going to be killed by "they" (disciples) Otherwise why does he say BETTER KILL ME HERE.
771022rc.vrn Conversations Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance. Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital. BETTER KILL ME HERE.
Note: It is a particularly astounding statement to be made at the time when Srila Prabhupada KNEW he was going to pass away soon. Marica was under the order of Ravana to kill Rama (which he knew he was not capable of). Ravana would kill Marica; If he failed to accomplish Ravana's order. So either way Marica knew he was going to be killed. (By being killed by Rama Marica would be fortunate as it opened the door of liberation).
771110rc.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY RAMA. EH? That Marica--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better. Tamala Krsna: WHO is this Prabhupada's talking about?
Note: HOY TO TAI. (Its possible), "YE SAB FRIENDS" (THESE ALL FRIENDS), "they" these are VERY SELECTIVE WORDS of a CAREFUL SPEECH. They are POINTING WORDS.
Conversation Mixture of English, Hindi and Bengali (9/11/77) Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. HOY TO TAI. Translation: Someone says that I've been poisoned. IT'S POSSIBLE.
Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?
Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain? Translation: What is he saying?
Srila Prabhupada: YE SAB FRIENDS. Translation: THESE ALL FRIENDS.
Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada? Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche. Translation: They all say.
Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?
Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega? Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?
Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.
Note: Srila Prabhupada's consciousness was not like a conditioned soul sleep in ignorance. From this it is evident HE DID HEAR THE WHISPERS OF "they" WHO WERE POISONING HIM. Srila Prabhupada was FULLY CONSCIOUS of ALL that was going on. He could hear EVERYTHING. Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, BUT IT IS SAID. **IF** Srila Prabhupada was in a deep slumber of a conditioned soul-he would have NOT heard. BUT he DID HEAR-therefore "BUT IT IS SAID". Who " they" are he does not wish to disclose DIRECTLY.
Srila Prabhupada's clear instructions are that he, Srila Prabhupada is the Guru of ISKCON. This ORDER was NEVER REVOKED by Srila Prabhupada. THIS signalled warrant for his kill! Srila Prabhupada did not compromise: HE WAS** THE** GURU OF ISKCON. This was unacceptable to "they" (Srila Prabhupada murderers).
Now "they" who poisoned Srila Prabhupada knew and feared all devotees would find out. So in the beginning it was HIDDEN from the majority of devotees.
Why "they" had THE MOTIVE FOR MURDER OF SRILA PRABHUPADA.: 1) "they" have free servants/slaves(disciples). 2) "they" have the satisfaction of worship of themselves replacing Srila Prabhupada as the Initiator. 3) "they" have the daksina MONEY for their own lusty desires. Free income from servant/slave(disciple). 4) "they" OWN properties, usurp temples. 5)"they" manipulate devotees. 6) "they" prevent Srila Prabhupada's ORIGINAL BOOKS from printing/ distributing in LARGE quantities. 7) "they" and KEY men Temple Presidents etc loot exploit the ISKCON society funds
Isopanisad 12 The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service--which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead--one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. SUCH VIOLATORS OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE AUTHORITATIVE ACARYAS, THE HOLY TEACHERS IN THE STRICT DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. **THEY** IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA--"ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA"--and Krsna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.
These rogues are the MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg.16.19-20).
SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE GRATIFICATION.
Question: Just HOW MUCH poison was given IN THE NAME of MEDICINE or MIXED WITH medicine?
771028r2.vrn Conversations Bhakti-caru: Pressure is good. When Dr. Ghosh came, that other Dr. Ghosh came... (Hindi) ...pressure, 180 and 80. (Hindi) He's saying that in this condition, Prabhupada can't take makara-dhvaja. THAT ANY MEDICINE THAT CONTAINS MERCURY AND ARSENIC IS POISON TO HIM. Bhavananda: That's what Prabhupada said. Tamala Krsna: That is a fact. HE FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 771031r3.vrn Conversations Tamala Krsna: We certainly have... We might as well try. We've tried everyone else. Prabhupada: Hm. Tamala Krsna: So let us try. Bhavananda: He did agree with your own diagnosis, Prabhupada. HE SAID MAKARADHVAJA AT THIS POINT WOULD BE POISON AND
TODAY YOU SAID THAT IT WAS POISON. Prabhupada: YES. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
771031r3.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: ...taking poison. The body is already finished. Upendra: What is that? Tamala Krsna: HE SAID, "IF YOU THINK I'M TAKING POISON, that the body is already finished." Prabhupada: So dead body, you take poison or ambrosia, it is the same. Blind man, night or day--the same thing. Rather, if you depend on miracle, pray to Krsna that "He may survive. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Tamal Krsna KNEW that ARSENIC was POISON. HOW MUCH QUANTITY did he ADD to the medicine? "681129BG.LA Lectures Prabhupada: Now, "pervades the body," that is consciousness. The soul is very small, but... Just like you take one grain of, what is called, poison? Snake poison? Arsenic? Poison called? What is called? Yes, venom poison. Tamala Krsna: ARSENIC IS POISON. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
WHY is it RELEVANT to bring in the “KILL” by either side? Especially at THIS TIME when Prabhupada KNEW he was going to pass away.
771110rc.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY RAMA. EH? That Marica--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better. Tamala Krsna: Who is this Prabhupada's talking about?
Note: Srila Prabhupada sends Tamal OUT of the room THIS is when POISON was mentioned in HINDI
771108rc.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: No. (break) (Hindi) Tamala Krsna? Tamala Krsna: Yes, Prabhupada. Prabhupada: Give facility for him, ten rupees. Tamala Krsna: This gentleman? Prabhupada: Yes. Tamala Krsna: Ten rupees. Prabhupada: And some fruits. Tamala Krsna: Uncut. Prabhupada: Uncut, yes. Tamala Krsna: Okay. Indian man: (Hindi) Kaviraja: (Hindi) Prabhupada: (Hindi) Tamala Krsna: I'll give him the fruits now, Srila Prabhupada? I have some fruits. I can give him now? Prabhupada: Hm. (Hindi) Tamala Krsna: WHAT DID PRABHUPADA SAY?
Note: TKG wanted to KNOW if Srila Prabhupada had told them ABOUT HIS POISONING - because PERHAPS ***THIS** was the ONLY chance Srila Prabhupada had to inform OUTSIDE WORLD .
AND he was speaking in HINDI so this "FRIENDS" will not hear it.
Note: Srila Prabhupada says
don't torture me and put to death. WHY say this UNLESS IT IS HAPPENING!!!
771103rc.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: That is my only request, that at the last stage don't torture me and put to death. So I am not eating anything, and if we chant, by batches chant, I'll hear. (Bengali) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
771108rc.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: (Hindi--mentions word "poison") Kaviraja: (Hindi) Devotee: SOMEONE GAVE HIM POISON HERE. Kaviraja: (Hindi long explanation) Tamala Krsna: PRABHUPADA WAS THINKING THAT SOMEONE HAD POISONED HIM.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 771018r2.vrn Conversations Tamala Krsna: I mean we have to go on some basis, Srila Prabhupada. And from the... What we can see, we can see. Whatever you ate turned into stool. Now, that is a good sign. That's a good sign. If it didn't come out of its own accord, that's due to less strength. And by drinking a lot yesterday, this morning the urine becomes clear, and by taking those medicines. These are actual, factual things we can observe. One thing is, you don't feel able to sleep. That's a bad thing. And the other thing is your being so weak condition that your willpower is weakened. Your determination is weakened. So so far as those two problems go, for sleeping I know that something can be given to help you to sleep. So far willpower, if you allow us to take care of you, then I think that should be the willpower. OF COURSE, I MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM DO ANYTHING BAD. I MEAN I'M NOT GOING TO LET ANYBODY TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL. I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN LONDON , EXCEPT THAT YOU YOURSELF SAID WE SHOULD DO IT. Otherwise your instructions told to everybody, "Don't let them take me to a hospital." So we're not thinking like that. Neither I'm going to let anybody put any, take any blood specimen or any of those things. It's not required. These things which they're giving you are not... The only harmful effect is that you cannot sleep. But that can be given. To help you sleep can be helped. Otherwise this kaviraja's medicine, it may be less agitating to take, but does it actually work? Now for nearly half a day you have drank only one time a little bit. But you want us to take care of you and help you, then I think you should accept these... I mean they're very reasonable arguments. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Note: Hospital means Poison SYMPTOMS would SHOW.
771103rc.vrn Conversations Tamala Krsna: I said supposing someone threatens us with our life, that "We will kill you if you don't let us take your Guru Maharaja to the hospital," still, we will not let them take you. Your order is our business to follow, even at the risk of our life. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL UNDER ANY CONDITION. Neither... Not only is it your order, but we also see absolutely no benefit from these hospitals. Your order is sufficient, but apart from that, also, from our own limited intelligence, we also see that the hospitals are condemned. These doctors are blind, these allopathic doctors.
The ACARYA of the GREAT institution does NOT make frivolous comments like a mundaner. His instructions are GUIDANCE for humanity.
771022rc.vrn Conversations Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance. Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital.
BETTER KILL ME HERE.
If one is AT ALL SERIOUS in knowing the TRUTH then the least they have to go thru all this PLUS the CDs whispers. Tamal Krishna Goswami's voice is CLEAR "poison is going down"
EVEN the most uneducated person who is SINCERE will accept WHERE is the POISON going down - they have made Srila Prabhupada DRINK IT and it is GOING DOWN his throat. There were few voices captured. 1) Tamal Krishna Goswami 2) Bhavananda who was there when he RESPONDED: HUH. There was one voice INDIAN who mentioned poison in the background. 3) There was a voice that said Jaya it could be Jaypataka or Jayadwaita or BOTH. 4) there was a voice that said "Aksayananda". A point to note : Jayapataka was always in the company of Tamala Krishna Goswami and Bhavananda. AND if TKG was involved we KNOW Bhavananda gave himself away THEN Jayapataka MUST be there. no? MOTIVE is there.
771108rc.vrn Conversations Prabhupada: And therefore I say, (laughs) don't keep me locked up. You do your duty as I have trained you and let me be free and if money required, he'll come and take and go back again as he ...
771108rc.vrn Conversations Lokanatha: Are not. As we go towards the Himalaya it gets cold otherwise up to Delhi and Chandigarh same climate as it is here now. As soon as we go out into the mountains, it's very cold. Shivering. As we came to the place, wherever we went the same climate. Same as Vrndavana. It's a good climate. Prabhupada: So you come at four, have kirtana (?). (break) I wish that you GBC manage very nicely and consider I am dead and let me try to travel all the tirthasthana. Without any responsibility. If I become recovered from this malady I shall come back and then I shall die in, what is it when the dead body is there, let them bring to Mayapura and Vrndavana. I am thinking in this way. Bring little medicine and no medicine, little milk, and travel one place to another and if there is death, what is the lamentation? My age is ripe. In the open air and bullock cart or during daytime, eh? Or you can say semi-suicide, although living what consider me dead for the time. You manage and nowadays there is in India ample sunshine. So during daytime I shall travel and nighttime you make a camp under a tree. In this way let me travel all the tirthas. I am thinking in this way. What is your opinion? Bhavananda: Srila Prabhupada, we promise that we'll manage everything to the best of our ability. Prabhupada: No, no, you are managing, I know, but you are all important men and unnecessarily you are bound up. You cannot go. So Lokanatha party has got some experience and let me go. In India the climate is now good. If I recover, it is very good. You know. So what is the wrong? If I die, then the body will be brought either in Vrndavana or Mayapura, that's all. And if I live, it will be a great end of a life. You are all experienced. Jayapataka: As much as you have trained us, Srila Prabhupada, that is only how much we are experienced. We don't want that you be burdened any more with material management problems but... Prabhupada: No, not from that point of view. What is the use of lying down here?
