Prabhupada: SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO.
Note: Srila Prabhupada was aware of the plot to kill him in 1976.
So the question is WHO is "they"?
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Prabhupada: This is our position. Gradually they will show Hare Krsna movement. In India also, although India's... They will want to crush downthis movement. So this will be up to Him. Krsna or Krsna's movement, the same thing. And Krsna was attempted to be killed by Kamsa class of men and his company, the demons. So it will be there; it is already there. Don't be disappointed, because that is the meaning that it is successful. Krsna's favor is there, because Krsna and Krsna's movement is not different, nondiff..., identical. So as Krsna was attempted to be killed, many, many years before He appeared... At eighth child, if the mother produces child yearly, still ten years, eight years before His birth, the mother was to be attempted to be killed. So there may be attempt like that. And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. SO THEY MAY KILL ME ALSO.
Note: Trouble from Subordinates Juniors(disciples "they")
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Abhirama: So I went to see the astrologer with Yasodanandana Swami, and he did more calculations on your chart.
Prabhupada: You can get on light.
Abhirama: So basically he explained when the difficult times will come, according to the planets. Then he made it very clear that beyond the planetary influence, it would be very difficult for calculations for a person in your position. For an ordinary man he can say very clearly. And he can say for you which planets will disturb, but he cannot say for sure how much they will affect, because being a saintly person, there is naturally some resistance to these influences. So he made that very clear, that you should not think that these are final. So he said, according to your birth, the longevity shows very clearly. And then he gave a date. The longevity is eighty-one years, five months and twenty-nine days, which means February 28, 1978, six months from now. This is according to birth and stars arrangement. But on this point he made it very clear that this was from your birth, this was set, but it can change. Due to pious activities, due to the hand of Krsna, this can change. So... And then he described that during the next six months, the first week of September, Saturn will pass over Ketu, and it will agitate the influence of Ketu even more. So the first week of September the resistance will go down, will become weaker. THEN HE MENTIONED THAT THERE MAY BE SOME TROUBLE FROM..., MAYBE FINANCIAL OR MAYBE FROM JUNIORS, FROM SUBORDINATES.
Note: Srila Prabhupada KNEW he was going to be killed by "they" (disciples)
Otherwise why does he say BETTER KILL ME HERE.
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Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital. BETTER KILL ME
HERE.
Note: It is a particularly astounding statement to be made at the time when Srila Prabhupada KNEW he was going to pass away soon. Marica was under the order of Ravana to kill Rama (which he knew he was not capable of). Ravana would kill Marica; If he failed to accomplish Ravana's order. So either way Marica knew he was going to be killed. (By being killed by Rama Marica would be fortunate as it opened the door of liberation).
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Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY
RAMA. EH? That Marica--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by
Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamala Krsna: WHO is this Prabhupada's talking about?
Note: HOY TO TAI. (Its possible), "YE SAB FRIENDS" (THESE ALL FRIENDS),
"they" these are VERY SELECTIVE WORDS of a CAREFUL SPEECH. They are POINTING WORDS.
Conversation Mixture of English, Hindi and Bengali (9/11/77)
Srila Prabhupada: Keu bole je keu poison kore diyeche. HOY TO TAI.
Translation: Someone says that I've been poisoned. IT'S POSSIBLE.
Balaram Mishra (?): Hmm?
Kaviraja: Kya farma rahe hain?
Translation: What is he saying?
Srila Prabhupada: Koi bolta hai je koi mujhko poison kiya gaya hai.
Translation: Someone says that someone has given poison.
Kaviraja: Kisko?
Translation: To whom?
Srila Prabhupada: Mujhko.
Translation:
To me.
Kaviraja: Kaun bolta hai?
Translation: Who said?
Srila Prabhupada: YE SAB FRIENDS.
Translation: THESE ALL FRIENDS.
Bhakticharu: Ke boleche, Srila Prabhupada?
Translation: Who said, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: Ke boleche.
Translation: They all say.
Tamal Krishna: Krishna das?
Kaviraja: Ao ko kaun poison dega? Kis liye dega?
Translation: Who would give you poison? Why would anyone do that?
Tamal Krishna: Who said that, Srila Prabhupada?
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, but it is said.
Note: Srila Prabhupada's consciousness was not like a conditioned soul sleep
in ignorance. From this it is evident HE DID HEAR THE WHISPERS OF "they" WHO WERE POISONING HIM. Srila Prabhupada was FULLY CONSCIOUS of ALL that was going on. He could hear EVERYTHING.
Srila Prabhupada: I do not know, BUT IT IS SAID.
**IF** Srila Prabhupada was in a deep slumber of a conditioned soul-he would
have NOT heard. BUT he DID HEAR-therefore "BUT IT IS SAID". Who " they" are he does not wish to disclose DIRECTLY.
Srila Prabhupada's clear instructions are that he, Srila Prabhupada is the Guru of ISKCON. This ORDER was NEVER REVOKED by Srila Prabhupada. THIS signalled warrant for his kill! Srila Prabhupada did not compromise: HE WAS** THE** GURU OF ISKCON. This was unacceptable to "they" (Srila Prabhupada murderers).
Now "they" who poisoned Srila Prabhupada knew and feared all devotees would
find out. So in the beginning it was HIDDEN from the majority of devotees.
Why "they" had THE MOTIVE FOR MURDER OF SRILA PRABHUPADA.:
1) "they" have free servants/slaves(disciples).
2) "they" have the satisfaction of worship of themselves replacing Srila Prabhupada as the Initiator.
3) "they" have the daksina MONEY for
their own lusty desires. Free income from servant/slave(disciple).
4) "they" OWN properties, usurp temples.
5)"they" manipulate devotees.
6) "they" prevent Srila Prabhupada's ORIGINAL BOOKS from printing/ distributing in LARGE quantities.
7) "they" and KEY men Temple Presidents etc loot exploit the ISKCON society funds
Note:"They" Srila Prabhupada murderers destination:
Isopanisad 12
The Lord states that as soon as one reaches Him by devotional service--which is the one and only way to approach the Personality of Godhead--one attains complete freedom from the bondage of birth and death. In other words, the path of salvation from the material clutches fully depends on the principles of knowledge and detachment gained from serving the Lord. THE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS HAVE NEITHER KNOWLEDGE NOR DETACHMENT FROM MATERIAL AFFAIRS, FOR MOST OF THEM WANT TO LIVE IN THE GOLDEN SHACKLES OF MATERIAL BONDAGE UNDER THE SHADOW OF PHILANTHROPIC ACTIVITIES DISGUISED AS RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES. BY A FALSE DISPLAY OF RELIGIOUS SENTIMENTS, THEY PRESENT A SHOW OF DEVOTIONAL SERVICE WHILE INDULGING IN ALL SORTS OF IMMORAL ACTIVITIES. IN THIS WAY THEY PASS AS SPIRITUAL MASTERS AND DEVOTEES OF GOD. SUCH VIOLATORS OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLES HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE AUTHORITATIVE ACARYAS, THE HOLY TEACHERS IN THE STRICT DISCIPLIC SUCCESSION. **THEY** IGNORE THE VEDIC INJUNCTION ACARYOPASANA--"ONE MUST WORSHIP THE ACARYA"--and
Krsna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.
These rogues are the MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious
propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg.16.19-20).
SRI ISOPANISAD CONFIRMS THAT THESE PSEUDO RELIGIONISTS ARE HEADING TOWARD THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, WHICH THEY CONDUCT SIMPLY FOR SENSE
GRATIFICATION.
Question: Just HOW MUCH poison was given IN THE NAME of MEDICINE or MIXED WITH medicine?
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Bhakti-caru: Pressure is good. When Dr. Ghosh came, that other Dr. Ghosh came... (Hindi) ...pressure, 180 and 80. (Hindi) He's saying that in this condition, Prabhupada can't take makara-dhvaja. THAT ANY MEDICINE THAT CONTAINS MERCURY AND ARSENIC IS POISON TO HIM.
Bhavananda: That's what Prabhupada said.
Tamala Krsna: That is a fact. HE FOUND THAT TO BE TRUE
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Tamala Krsna: We certainly have... We might as well try. We've tried everyone else.
Prabhupada: Hm.
Tamala Krsna: So let us try.
Bhavananda: He did agree with your own diagnosis, Prabhupada. HE SAID
MAKARADHVAJA AT THIS POINT WOULD BE POISON AND
TODAY YOU SAID THAT IT WAS
POISON.
Prabhupada: YES.
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Prabhupada: ...taking poison. The body is already finished.
Upendra: What is that?
Tamala Krsna: HE SAID, "IF YOU THINK I'M TAKING POISON, that the body is already finished."
Prabhupada: So dead body, you take poison or ambrosia, it is the same. Blind man, night or day--the same thing. Rather, if you depend on miracle, pray to Krsna that "He may survive.
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Tamal Krsna KNEW that ARSENIC was POISON. HOW MUCH QUANTITY did he ADD to the medicine?
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Prabhupada: Now, "pervades the body," that is consciousness. The soul is
very small, but... Just like you take one grain of, what is called, poison?
Snake poison? Arsenic? Poison called? What is called? Yes, venom poison.
Tamala Krsna: ARSENIC IS POISON.
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WHY is it RELEVANT to bring in the “KILL” by either side? Especially at THIS TIME when Prabhupada KNEW he was going to pass away.
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Prabhupada: THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL. BETTER TO BE KILLED BY
RAMA. EH? That Marica--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamala Krsna: Who is this Prabhupada's talking about?
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Note: Srila Prabhupada sends Tamal OUT of the room THIS is when POISON was
mentioned in HINDI
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Prabhupada: No. (break) (Hindi) Tamala Krsna?
Tamala Krsna: Yes, Prabhupada.
Prabhupada: Give facility for him, ten rupees.
Tamala Krsna: This gentleman?
Prabhupada: Yes.
Tamala Krsna: Ten rupees.
Prabhupada: And some fruits.
Tamala Krsna: Uncut.
Prabhupada: Uncut, yes.
Tamala Krsna: Okay.
Indian man: (Hindi)
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Prabhupada: (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: I'll give him the fruits now, Srila Prabhupada? I have some
fruits. I can give him now?
Prabhupada: Hm. (Hindi)
Tamala Krsna: WHAT DID PRABHUPADA SAY?
Note: TKG wanted to KNOW if Srila Prabhupada had told them ABOUT HIS POISONING - because PERHAPS ***THIS** was the ONLY chance Srila Prabhupada had to inform OUTSIDE WORLD .
AND he was speaking in HINDI so this "FRIENDS" will not hear it.
Note: Srila Prabhupada says
don't torture me
and put to death. WHY say this UNLESS IT IS HAPPENING!!!
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Prabhupada: That is my only request, that at the last stage don't torture me
and put to death. So I am not eating anything, and if we chant, by batches
chant, I'll hear. (Bengali)
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Prabhupada: (Hindi--mentions word "poison")
Kaviraja: (Hindi)
Devotee: SOMEONE GAVE HIM POISON HERE.
Kaviraja: (Hindi long explanation)
Tamala Krsna: PRABHUPADA WAS THINKING THAT SOMEONE HAD POISONED HIM.
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Tamala Krsna: I mean we have to go on some basis, Srila Prabhupada. And from the... What we can see, we can see. Whatever you ate turned into stool. Now, that is a good sign. That's a good sign. If it didn't come out of its own accord, that's due to less strength. And by drinking a lot yesterday, this morning the urine becomes clear, and by taking those medicines. These are actual, factual things we can observe. One thing is, you don't feel able to sleep. That's a bad thing. And the other thing is your being so weak condition that your willpower is weakened. Your determination is weakened. So so far as those two problems go, for sleeping I know that something can be given to help you to sleep. So far willpower, if you allow us to take care of you, then I think that should be the willpower. OF COURSE, I MEAN WE'RE NOT GOING TO LET THEM DO ANYTHING BAD. I MEAN I'M NOT GOING TO LET ANYBODY TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL. I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE IT IN LONDON , EXCEPT THAT YOU YOURSELF SAID WE SHOULD DO IT. Otherwise your instructions told to everybody, "Don't let them take me to a hospital." So we're not thinking like that. Neither I'm going to let anybody put any, take any blood specimen or any of those things. It's not required. These things which they're giving you are not... The only harmful effect is that you cannot sleep. But that can be given. To help you sleep can be helped. Otherwise this kaviraja's medicine, it may be less agitating to take, but does it actually work? Now for nearly half a day you have drank only one time a little bit. But you want us to take care of you and help you, then I think you should accept these... I mean they're very reasonable arguments.
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Note: Hospital means Poison SYMPTOMS would SHOW.
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Tamala Krsna: I said supposing someone threatens us with our life, that "We will kill you if you don't let us take your Guru Maharaja to the hospital," still, we will not let them take you. Your order is our business to follow, even at the risk of our life. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO THE HOSPITAL UNDER ANY CONDITION. Neither... Not only is it your order, but we also see absolutely no benefit from these hospitals. Your order is sufficient, but apart from that, also, from our own limited intelligence, we also see that the hospitals are condemned. These doctors are blind, these allopathic doctors.
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The ACARYA of the GREAT institution does NOT make frivolous comments like a mundaner. His instructions are GUIDANCE for humanity.
771022rc.vrn Conversations
Bhavananda: Therefore we asked you yesterday for your guidance.
Prabhupada: No, I'll guide. Don't move me to the hospital.
BETTER KILL ME
HERE.
If one is AT ALL SERIOUS in knowing the TRUTH then the least they have to go thru all this PLUS the CDs whispers. Tamal Krishna Goswami's voice is CLEAR "poison is going down"
EVEN the most uneducated person who is SINCERE will accept WHERE is the POISON going down - they have made Srila Prabhupada DRINK IT and it is GOING DOWN his throat. There were few voices captured. 1) Tamal Krishna Goswami 2) Bhavananda who was there when he RESPONDED: HUH. There was one voice INDIAN who mentioned poison in the background. 3) There was a voice that said Jaya it could be Jaypataka or Jayadwaita or BOTH. 4) there was a voice that said "Aksayananda". A point to note : Jayapataka was always in the company of Tamala Krishna Goswami and Bhavananda. AND if TKG was involved we KNOW Bhavananda gave himself away THEN Jayapataka MUST be there. no? MOTIVE is there.